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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Verdana color=#808080 size=2>Hello to you,please add
your name next time so we know whom is responding.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Verdana color=#808080 size=2>For ages people are trying
to domesticate wildlife, some animals are good for domestication and some are
not like the ostriche.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Verdana color=#808080 size=2>But remeber domestication
does NOT occur in one lifetime!</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Verdana color=#808080
size=2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Verdana color=#808080 size=2>We musn't forget that we
mainly work wild animals and those always will be wild.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Verdana color=#808080 size=2>A tiger on stage is always
a wild cat and is alway dangerous at any time its handled.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Verdana color=#808080 size=2>It never will be tame, it
purely a work of trust and respect from both sides!</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Verdana color=#808080
size=2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Verdana color=#808080 size=2>We show people in our
educational presentations wild and domestic animals to learn them the difference
between both.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Verdana color=#808080
size=2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Verdana color=#808080 size=2>To answer you question
about the llama's, yes they are indeed real domesticated and don't live in the
wild!</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Verdana color=#808080 size=2>Prairydogs however do live
in the wild and are unfortunnaly kept as pets but aren't any good pets such as
many other exoticsand shouldn't be sold at the first
place.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Verdana color=#808080
size=2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Verdana color=#808080 size=2>The last thing i have heard
is that people are crossbreeding wildcats with domestic cats to create new
breeds.....HELLOOOOOO?</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Verdana color=#808080
size=2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Verdana color=#808080 size=2>Oncicat Ocelot
x cat</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Verdana color=#808080 size=2>Bengal
Bengaltigercat x cat</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Verdana color=#808080 size=2>Afrikan
Serval x cat</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Verdana color=#808080
size=2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Verdana color=#808080 size=2>This is just
ridicullus.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Verdana color=#808080
size=2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Verdana color=#808080 size=2>But to come back to the
Llama's even many zoo's dont know really how to take care of their Llama's
as weve found out that we have to shave many animals in zoo's because of their
far to long woolly coats, some even couldn't barely walk!</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Verdana color=#808080 size=2>Even dark coulored Llama's
can get severe burnmarks from the sun if they stand in the sun without
shade or a waterhole to cool down.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Verdana color=#808080 size=2>There for we shave our
Llama's every year around the belt and leave one cm of wool as protection
against the sun.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Verdana color=#808080 size=2>At warm days our Llama's
dont work they rather cool down in the waterhole or stay in the
shade.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Verdana color=#808080
size=2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Verdana color=#808080 size=2>Using animals in a
educational presentation has nothing to do with medical and husbandry training
in the daily zoo life, the animals will know the medical procedures but will not
show them in an presentation.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Verdana color=#808080 size=2>Animals in an educational
presentation are taught to show natural behaviours on cue, just be them selves,
be wild and natural.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Verdana color=#808080 size=2>If an animal doesn't want
to work he doesn't have to, we don't force them to
perform!</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Verdana color=#808080 size=2>We don't ask them to jump
trough a ring of fire, stand on their behind leggs or do any other unnatural
behaviour.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Verdana color=#808080
size=2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Verdana color=#808080 size=2>Dont forget that we also
tell people that exotics don't make good pets as we present them, thats also one
of the reasons we introduced domestic animals in the shows and
productions.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Verdana color=#808080 size=2>We made clear that tame
rats and ferrtets do make good pets, and if we bring on ourdogs we ask people to
go the animal shelter if they want a dog instead of buying it at a
breeder.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Verdana color=#808080
size=2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Verdana color=#808080 size=2>As i said before animal
presentations is one of the best way to educate our parks visitors, and to give
them a possibility to get a close encounter.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Verdana color=#808080
size=2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Verdana color=#808080 size=2>With kind
regards,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Verdana color=#808080
size=2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Verdana color=#808080 size=2>Mariano
Zamorano</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Verdana color=#808080
size=2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Verdana color=#808080 size=2>ZOONIMAL-
Germany</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, July 22, 2006 1:01
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Forum] Forum aicas</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi there,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I've been surfin' your website and I have found
something that I wanted to ask you, Mr. Zambrano. In your "about us"
section, you define your training model not as a "circus where animals
are trained to perform tricks and unnatural behaviour". But in your last mail,
you defined one of your best "educational projects" as having llamas carrying
some people picknick baskets. Is this an unnatural behaviour?. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I know what would you answer to this. You may be
thinking that llamas are domestic animals that are meant to do that. Like
horses, donkeys and many other animals (the same animals that can be taken for
pets as you say about the llamas). Maybe your right,... but nowadays, is very
common to have prairy dogs as pets. Does it mean that we can use'em
to entertain our visitors accomaining them in their visits? Is that so
different, a prairy dog from a llama? why? because the priry
dog has been among our us for the last 20 years and the
llama, since the Incaic times? Is that a matter of time? So,... it would
justify also to train my dog to bring my shoes at home (as dogs have an
evolution mixed up with the humas for thounsands of years). </FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=2>Does it justify the action of taking animals to do those
things in our times?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Haven't you found a better way to educate people
about llamas ecology than making'em carry picknick baskets? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As you know, many years ago, the ostriches were
used to drive people around parks and zoos. It sounds to me like the llamas
activity. Doesn't it?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The interaction between animals and people can be
carried out using many other tools and resources. These actions have a thin
borderline between what's "medical training" or what's "show taming". Let's
define both concepts, and then we will analyze if the actions that we are
taking are closing to one of them.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Looking forward to hearing from you.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks!</FONT></DIV>
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