Re: [Forum] espectáculo con tigres

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Hi Mariano !!!

I think that for most of us the problem is not training or not training, 
because all of us are training animals, as you said, to go into their 
enclosures, or medical training etc... The problem is what is the aim of 
these training programs, if it's medical or husbandry ( medical should be 
husbandry) nobody will be agains it, but what is educational ? to see a 
Mackaw riding a bicycle is not educational, to have breakfast with an 
orangutant or a tiger is not educational. There is a line that is different 
for all of us, when you cross the line in your show you are sending a bad 
message to the people.

In another way, can you send me your email to tesoreria at aicas,org ? I want 
to contact you.
Thank you

Pep Xarles
Tesorero de AICAS
Vice president of ICZ.

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Subject: Re: [Forum] espectáculo con tigres


> Hola a todos, Hello to all
>
> Animals in presentations, and im not talking about macaws riding bikes and 
> do rollerscate,animals in EDUCATIONAL presentations is one of the best way 
> to educate todays zoovisitors.
> We all know that more then 80% of our parks visitors don't reed the 
> educational signs at the exibits.
>
> there for is the use of a educational presentation of wildlife AND 
> domesticated animals one of the best methods to educated our visitors.
> For Example: Madrid zoo in Spain has a very good freeflight presentation 
> where for example they used Hybrid sacred ibisses which where taken out of 
> the breeding programm.
>
> These birds otherwise would have end up in the animaltrading bussines of 
> be put down.
> Now they have a great educational value as ambassador of their wild 
> relatives.
>
> Please also do not forget that all training methods equall to educational 
> presentations , medical or husbandry training is pure enrichement to the 
> animal in captivity in a training programm and yes they get a far better 
> physical condition which then can result in far better breeding results!!!
> To answer your question; the animal gaines a lot.
>
> Animal training is a part of todays zoolife and no zoo can go on with out 
> animal training!
> This type of training has nothing to do and can not be compared with a 
> circus at any point!
> All animals can be trained for a educational presentation, medical and 
> husbandry training and yes even a bloody chicken and a fish!
> Not to forget that animal training is pure fun for trainer and animal.
>
> Animal training bennefits the animals wellbeing for a 100 %, and it doesnt 
> matter to the animal if it has to perform or do a medical or husbandry 
> training session.
>
> The Tigers used in Australia are not breeding animals in a breeding 
> programm.
> However ther do breed with some of their animals, to keep up their own 
> collection.
> Their tigers are all 4 color mutations( Common-Tabby( common x 
> white)-White and Snowwhite) of the Bengal tiger which is far the best 
> species to handle this way.
> We work regullary with Bengals hands on, Some Siberian are also good to 
> handle but Sumatran are deffenatly not to be handled!!!
>
> After worked for several years at Madrid zoo i went to Germany and started 
> to work at the world famous Siegfried and Roy breeding facillity, here it 
> is that i learned how to work these wunderfull big cats with lots of 
> respect.
>
> Traget- and clicker training are the metheods used with these big cats.
>
> Prior to starting to train animals, and many of our colleagues 
> animalkeepers and yes even those who say i don't like that animaltraining 
> stuff, are properly allready training their animals on a daily base 
> without knowing!
> For example during their daily routines with release and entering their 
> stables, at feeding time, during introductions, visit by the vet and so 
> on.
>
> When it commes to educational animal presentations, on a daily base 
> interactions with our animals, husbandry and medical training, make sure 
> that you know what youre doing!!!
> To many accidents have happent in the past and presents because of not 
> knowing and big ego's.
> In the USA zoos are going back to on hands handling of their elephants 
> with a husbandry training programm, as has shown that offhands working 
> elephant is a very bad way to keep these highly intelligent creatures.
> In my opinion on this matter, one of the biggest problemms is that 
> Elephants schould keep their keepers for their lifetime and in many zoos 
> they see too many keepers going and comming.
> Elephants bond with their keepers for life just like a marriage.
>
> There are 3 schools where animaltraining can be learned in the USA and 
> starting next year in Germany at our facillity at ZOONIMAL ZOO.
>
> With kind regards, Un saludo cordial,
>
> Mariano Zamorano
> Senior animaltrainer and director of ZOONIMAL.
> contact person for : the dreamnight at the zoo foundation 
> (Spain-Germany-Ostriche-Schweiz)
> www.zoonimal.com
>
>
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> Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 8:10 PM
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>
>
>>
>>
>> Se supone que esto es un zoo?? con estos espectaculos mas bien parece un 
>> circo.............son animales salvajes encerrados en unos cuantos metros 
>> cuadrados y encima tienen que hacer esto?? No lo entiendo la verdad, para 
>> los visitantes del zoo a lo mejor piensan que esta muy bien pero que gana 
>> el animal con esto?? yo creo que nada.en fin.........
>>
>> Marisa
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